Just Gotta Love It!

[SVO]

Ok as most of you know, I'm a pretty die-hard Ford kinda guy, with a few exceptions.<br>That doesn't mean that Ford doesn't come up with some really dumbass-riffic-stupendiously-geniusomatic, stupid shit for brain ideas.<br><br>So my story begins:<br><br>Well as we all know, the last time I went wheeling I lost the oil pump in my 224k mile motor, eh not so bad, I can deal with that, so Saturday I went to work and put a new motor in the Nasty Hoe.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937dsc01030.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>While in the process of removing the transmission cooling line from the radiator, a Pepto Bizmo pink colored fluid came out!<br>But if you recall I so called "Water Proofed" my truck, so I thought.<br><br>While at the last run some of you all might recall, due to a slight navigational error, I wound up in some water approximatly 3 1/2' or so deep (up over my lap while sitting in the driver's seat), and was dubbed the new Submarine Captain!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/3201/11206000_0702.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Well after going ahead and pulling the transmission and transfer case, my 30k mile "Ford" rebuilt transmission was completly full of water and transmission fluid, I don't even know how we kept on wheeling for another 5-6 hours after that.<br><br>So after further inspection, with the transmission out, I noticed 2 little rectangular holes in my vent tube up at the top of the bellhousing, I'm not sure what Ford was thinking but this turned out to be a disaster for me!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937trans1-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937trans2-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937goo-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>So after being pretty, well, miffed about that I went out back at work and snatched up a 5 speed and shoved it in there insted, so now I need to go buy a clutch and pressure plate, and swap out pedals, put the transfer case back on and put in the drive shafts, and we'll be back on the road, it just was a little more than my pocket book was ready to deal with this weekend.<br><br><br>So all you clowns with automatics that like to play in the water like I do, pull that factory vent tube off and replace it quickly, or you might wind up with pansyass pink fluid funfilling your day too!<br>But oh well that's the price you pay to play! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub182.ezboard.com/bdemon4x4.showUserPublicProfile?gid=specialvehicleoperator>Special Vehicle Operator</A> at: 9/27/03 9:20 pm<br></i>

[Michael]

no problem with pepto pink fluid here. Mine is nicely shaded to resembled used motor oil <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . I don;t know how it has worked for so long either, but I'm not gonna screw with it. <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

It's just a bummer to have another set back, and one that cost such a penny.<br><br>Well I can't say much I have been wanting to goto 5spd for a while now, so here's the excuse I guess.<br><br>5spd = less hassle and easier to fix (for me atleast) <p></p><i></i>

[KF5ZXT]

That's some nasty pink stuff there buddy. I don't recall seeing those holes in mine when I pulled it, I'll have to check and see. <p></p><i></i>

[Sexy Evil ST]

I guess I'll be checking mine too. Sorry to hear of your trouble Jeff. <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

It's ok Superhero, I'm gonna make the best of it and use it as a learning experience and hopefully from that I can help some others not to make the same mistake as I!<br><br>If you noticed I posted the same in the "Whoops" section with and update and some footnotes to let everyone know that they need to check this on thier rig too so they don't wind up with the same issues.<br><br>I know some of them use thier's for daily drivers, like Dejello, so these people really don't need to have that happen to them, myself I got lucky for having back-up transportation, and a place that was equiped with what I needed to fix my rig.<br><br>If everything goes right I should still be able to hit the Gilmer trip on the weekend of the 19th, and hopefully there will be no bugs to work out before than.<br><br><br>Thank you all for your support, it is much appreciated! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br>And Demon-Do-Badder if you didn't check that "Whoops" thread, I checked some other tranny's we had in stock, and yes all of them had anywhere from 2-3 holes also in the vent tubes, you might also get Kris on this seeing as he just replaced his auto in the Green Machine.<br><br><br>Thanx, again guys! <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

To restate I didn't have a 95' and up trans avalible to me to look at so I'm not sure if your steel vent tubes have these hole in them or not, but if you plan on doing <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>any</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> water play I would check as this could be very costly to you if there are.<br><br><br><br>When I water proofed my truck I used some clear flexable tubing similar to what surgical hose looks like but in a stronger grade, I did this so I could see if anything had been passing through it, IE: gear oil, trans fluid, or water.<br><br>I also put a one way check valve on the hose going to the transmission to ensure that only case ventalation pressure got out and nothing got back in, as this is the most unreliable and clostly piece of drive train equipment to replace, unaware of the holes in the vent tube, we are where we are now!<br><br>So lets fix your X's so this doesn't happen to you.<br><br>This can be performed in your driveway with very little mechanical know-how.<br><br>Place a jack under the Transfer case (transmission pan if your 2wd), and remove the 2 transmission mount nuts under the crossmember, next remove the one 18mm nut on the driver's side of the crossmember, and next the two 18mm nuts on the passenger side and remove the crossmember.<br>With the transmission and transfer case supported by the jack let it down slowly till you can get your hands on top of the tranny to locate the vent tube and the rubber hose that goes to the vent tube nipple.<br><br><br>You may have to slit the rubber hose with a razor blade to get it off:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937tr2-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br>Then take your new hose and slip it over the vent hose nipple:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937tr1-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Once you have gotten your new hose on there secure it with a hose clamp or my favorite a zip tie!<br>Replace cossmember and appropriate nuts.<br>Then carefully route the hose along the frame rail up to the engine compartment, special care must be taken as to keep this hose away from the exhaust manifold and down pipe as it may burn or heat soak the hose making it brittle and easily damagable.<br>Then route the hose past the steering shaft so as not to allow it to get caught and pull away or apart when the steering wheel is turned, zip it up as close to the top of the hood hinge/engine compartment as you feel comfortable.<br><br>And do the same with your transfer case and front diff.<br>As for the rear diff I ran a hose in side the back of the gas fill door and looped it around as to make it difficult for water to traverse through there.<br><br><br>Here are a few pics of another transmission with the same delima:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937tr5-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937tr4-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Now for you 2wd guys:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Unfortunately you guys have it a little worse than us 4wd guys do, as your transmissions have a "Vent Cap" as opposed to our tube assy.<br>That would be the round thingie on top of the transmission case in the picture below!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937tr3-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>I have no clue if this can be removed and replaced with a nipple or not, but I do know that both the vent nipple and vent cap are pressed into the transmission case and would be rather difficult to remove.<br><br>Either way this is worse as you can not hook a tube to it and it sits about 8" (give or take) lower than our 4wd transmisson holes in our vent tube.<br><br><br>If not anything I hope this helps someone from wiping out thier transmission and falling into the same situation that I have gotten myself into, I will still drive through deep water and have fun, but I will always remember what happened and keep that in the back of my mind when doing things as such.<br><br>My intentions were not to make you guys/gals paranoid but to enlighten you on my discovery to possibly help keep you guys having fun with your Navajo's and Explorer's like myself.<br><br>Please feel free to ask any question I'll try and answer them as best as possible.<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Happy Wheeling</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br>The Submarine Captain <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

So a an update:<br><br>I removed the front seats and carpet and installed the 5spd pedal assy, which was not a very fun adventure, I would have rather removed the dash then put in the pedal assy.<br>I actually had to remove (cut away) some plasics to get at some of the nuts that hold the assy in.<br><br>I obtained the 2 nylon bushings and shims that keep the top mounted shifter from being sloppy, and installed the floor plate that allows for the shifter stick to protrude into the passenger compartment.<br><br>Remove the block off plate on the firewall for the clutch master cylinder and routed the hose to the slave cylinder, also removed the TV cable from the throttle and left the hole in the fire wall to run the remote operated throttle from the stick shift.<br><br>Waiting on the clutch kit to arrive and still need to fab the brackets to adapt the 97' Celica GTS leather seats to the Navajo seat tracks, and rewire for the 4x4 computer to think it's in neutral all the time, so it will funtion properly.<br>Remove the rest of the carpet and back seats, and it's Gilmer bound.<br><br>After the trip I'll put some sort of spray in linning on the floorboard and build the rear inside cargo deck with storage compartments. <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

Your taking your Cloth Navajo seats out... <br><br>What condition is your Front driver seat in? <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

The side bolster in the left is trashed. <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

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[SVO]

Heard you needed one of these for your truck Demon Boy.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Need a lift?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>

[KF5ZXT]

Gawd damn, I been lookin' fer one o' those fer my private collection! <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

Can you take a picture of the damaged bolster. I have Some of that factory cloth that could be used to fix it possibly.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

Kris you just need to borrow a pick up, and come get all of the seats and that damn tranny! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

If you don't I might take the foam out and re-stuff my seats in the Hooptie GT <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

I might just run up there after I move and Bring my Trailer.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

We're getting closer, a lil bit here and a lil bit there, but if all goes well and UPS doesn't shaft me, we'll be running this weekend! :afro: <br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/16937nasty1-med.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/169375spd1.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/169375sdp2.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

Kris can you fill me in on which plug is what in the 5spd?<br><br><br>the red one on the driver's side and the other one on the passenger, one I know is the switch for the back-up lights, what's the other for? The 4x4 computer? <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

I will have to look. I know one is for the Back up lights is the red one on the Driver side. The other one I am not sure. <br><br>I will double check and get my books out and check.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub182.ezboard.com/bdemon4x4.showUserPublicProfile?gid=krisguilbeaux@demon4x4>Kris Guilbeaux</A> at: 10/9/03 10:56 pm<br></i>

[SVO]

thank you sir, and on a side note also, what about the automatic transmission plug, how did you wire it to fool the 4x4 computer to make it think it was in neutral? <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

There sould be a Neutral safety switch build into the Clutch petal. That is what the 4x4 computer needs to think as a neutral. The clutch has to be pushed in to engage 4x4 low.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

Omission of that switch has already been done so'll have to jumper it, to always think it's in neutral.<br><br>Thanx for all your help, me and SVTGirl did all the mechanicals lastnight so today will be electrinics and cusom seat tracks for the Celica GTS seats, plus bleed the hydralic system and replace two engine management plugs that are bad.<br><br>And wire up the flood lights roof to operate. <p></p><i></i>

[Kris Guilbeaux]

Sounds like your getting close to being done with the swap. <br><br>Sorry that Call Yesterday was kind of Short I was doing the walk through at my New house. I close on it Thursday. <p></p><i></i>

[SVO]

No, thank you for the help, the computers were down here at work so I couldn't check the interchange to be sure, you were my back source, and you pulled through! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Hope the house closing goes well.<br><br>Here's a few up date pics:<br><br>1997 Celica GTS seats.<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/169371111.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Remote throttle<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/169373333.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>SVTGirl installing the flywheel and clutch<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.explorerforum.com/data/2/169372222.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>